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  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 1",
    "text": "I'm the bottleneck cuz all the content goes through me. What if I have an agent that already knows my taste and I say like you just let it give the feedback."
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": ">> If you could hire as many people as you wanted for almost zero cost like what other roles would you hire people into?"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 1",
    "text": ">> Hi Louu built one of the biggest software companies on the planet. Air Table is used by more than 80% of the Fortune 100."
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": ">> The people who are able to do that most effectively will become like almost superhuman, right? you're able to give good judgment and feedback to just like a really effective CEO of humans. You"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "could imagine building a company that you never would have dreamed of without any employees or with minimal employees."
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 1",
    "text": "So the tinker mindset is most important first and foremost. And I think the second is really >> my goal is that anyone who has been consuming cont about AI but was not like scared to try it but thought it was too"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 1",
    "text": "complicated."
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 1",
    "text": ">> I want them to actually deploy a few agents after watching this video."
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 1",
    "text": ">> Okay."
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 1",
    "text": ">> To realize how powerful the technology has become compared to like two years ago when they maybe tried one prompt and chatg and like ah this is just nothing."
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 1",
    "text": "All the hype I don't understand it."
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 1",
    "text": "Yeah, >> when you work with this technology correctly, it's actually really transformative. Can you talk to me about the current state of AI? So, we've been in an era of chat bots. You had to"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 1",
    "text": "initiate the process, correct them, and then the output. You wouldn't really trust an agent to post for you on LinkedIn."
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 1",
    "text": ">> I feel like right now we're trying to close the loop with these agents. Like, teach them our taste, teach them how we give feedback, and make them more autonomous."
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": ">> Is that what you're saying, too? I do think like there's been this you know kind of step function change in the experience that you can create with AI from pre- chatbt but then I think we"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "entered like a mature era of even AI chatbots where the models got smarter."
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "So even thinking about like you know the the um year after GBD4 came out you know we could actually do really interesting things with chatbots. So chatbot maturation and then I think we started"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "to hype agents a little too early. So there was a year like last year people were you know they were saying this is the year of the agents and I think that was when uh Salesforce Mark Benoff went"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "up and was talking about like you know in the future every CEO is going to have thousands of agents like you know agent employees and human employees and I think it was correct but just early and"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "so what we finally hit now I think and some would say like really it was like around end of last year with like the anthropic like Opus uh 4.5 and beyond generation of models but now you know"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "you have GBD 5.5 and Kimmy 2.6 like these open source and you know alternative models that I think have all reached this level of intelligence that actually enable agents to be like almost"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 1",
    "text": "humanlike right and autonomous."
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 1",
    "text": ">> Do you when you see a post on X where somebody says I sleep at night and my company is being run by 50 agents. Do you believe that? Cuz I >> I don't know like I've deployed a lot of"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 1",
    "text": "agents but I can't sleep. It's still in my head like I'm responsible for that agent. I'd rather have more humans."
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "But do you think we're moving towards that reality?"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": ">> You know, I think um I think that as the models get better and better, we do need to rethink the entire paradigm and like the the product form factor to reflect it. So I'll use a parallel here, which"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "is in the development agents world, you know, you had copilot, GitHub copilot that was kind of the first, you know, kind of chatbot for developers, right?"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "And it really was that like you couldn't have it go and develop like really complex programs. It was more like you could autocomplete a few lines of code at a time. And so it was a convenience."
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "Then you had cursor which introduced its own AI agent called composer uh which is different from like the the now what they're using that name for is the the model they've uh fine-tuned but at the"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "time it was a much more autonomous agent. you could tell it go and like build me this file, write me this this simple like you know kind of script or or function and it would do something a"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "lot more autonomously than you know the original co-pilot experience. I think now yet we've entered into a new era where the agents do enable you know kind of you to go and execute on parallel in"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "parallel with multiple agents and so in the development world the best developers are already you know they're not using necessarily cursor they're actually now using many different agents"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "maybe it's cloud code for instance running in parallel and it almost does feel like they have their own company or team running including overnight right I actually when I'm developing I use"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "agents that you know I try to have them do something substantial before I go to sleep so that you know for hours at least like I'm not wasting bandwidth cycles um and they're they're doing"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "something useful and so when I wake up they've already completed right so I you know I think we are moving to a world where the form factor will start to look more like managing a fleet of agents or"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "almost managing like you know people um you know like everybody when they transition from being an individual contributor to becoming a team manager it's kind of a different role right you"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "still need some of the same techniques but also it's quite different. So I think we are moving in that direction."
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "But to your point, I think it's it's also not yet a, you know, at a point where you literally just have the agents do everything, right? Like I don't think agents can effectively run an entire"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "company or any substantial company autonomously."
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 1",
    "text": ">> When do you think this flip is going to happen? Do you think by the end of this year we're going to see more output that's actually deployed right away by agents?"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 1",
    "text": ">> Picture this. You have something clear in your head. How a banner, a logo, a thumbnail should look. and you're building a personal brand and you need fast execution. Design.com is a perfect"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 1",
    "text": "tool for that. You describe what you want, the AI builds it. You refine in chat, it adjusts on the spot. Logo, website, banners, social graphics, business cards, presentations, you can"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 1",
    "text": "use the same tool for all of this. Say if you're growing on LinkedIn, and a lot of people uh say that video banners actually work best right now. Design.com can help you with that. I'm seeing more"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 1",
    "text": "and more people who post graphics and it's kind of hard to stay consistent if you have to redesign everything from scratch every time. Or maybe you need a logo for your personal brand. Design.com"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 1",
    "text": "is a perfect tool for all of that. You describe what you want, you get something usable in a couple of minutes."
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 1",
    "text": "If you want to change the layout, swap a color, try a different font. You just ask in chat, it updates. No revision cycles, no delay. Same flow for Instagram posts, stories, YouTube"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 1",
    "text": "thumbnails, anything you're posting that week. Set your brand once, the platform carries it across every new asset. Over 400,000 logos built so far. A million designs total, and what you make is"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 1",
    "text": "yours to use commercially. If design has been the thing you've always wanted to work on, but just couldn't, try design.com yourself. Link is in the description. It's free to start."
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": ">> I think that to your point, like on analytics, you know, the the fact that agents can help close the loop with, you know, maybe drafting some content, there's still a human review step."
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "you're posting it and then maybe the agents are helping to analyze what's working, what's not working and seeing what's, you know, kind of um catching fire out there from other people on uh"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "in the content world. You know, I think it does create this like really high leverage uh circuit for people who know how to effectively deploy agents. Even if humans are still in the loop at"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "points, I think that the amount of the loop or the the percentage of the loop that is more agent-driven is going to increase and increase and increase until at some point it's almost like yeah,"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "there's a human, but like that human is extremely leveraged and you could imagine building a company that you never would have dreamed of without any employees or with minimal employees. Now"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "you can do that with agents."
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 1",
    "text": ">> Absolutely. And I see it with my content. We haven't really expanded the team. We're still hiring but >> we are producing I think three times more content just because it's so much"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 1",
    "text": "easier to generate >> that content of course we have to check and everything but one person can now handle like GEO and newsletter and also threads >> and another person can do three other"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "outlets >> and maybe even like researching ideas so like you know all the substantive work that goes into like going deep on a topic like a lot of that can be enabled by agents. So for someone who's excited"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 1",
    "text": "about all of this but also they don't know like I am also confused every week there's something new there's claude with co-work oh my god perplexity computer amazing hyper agent >> how do you choose and I saw you use"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "claude as well it's not like you're just choosing one tool what's the best setup >> yeah so I think maybe going back to our generational metaphor you know there was like the chatbot era and there were a"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "lot of products that were built as chat bots And you know now we have agents that are much more fully autonomous. So I first you know would separate products that kind of fall into the chatbot era"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "from the agent era. Um even within the same company like Enthropic they have claude like the vanilla version which is much more close to a chatbot. I mean it is actually a weekly agentic uh product."
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "So it can do a few turns at once but you're not using claude to go and you know work on something for 5 hours without human intervention. Right. And this is claude like the enduser product."
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "confusingly they also use that name for their models and as a prefix to their other products like cloud code and cloud co-work but the plain kind of end user cloud experience I think of as more of a"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "chatbot um likewise with chatbt and that can still be very valuable but you know when you think about like frontier agents that are actually able to perform you know maybe hours of human equivalent"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "work autonomously you know you put into that category openclaw you know everybody kind of got excited about openclaw on Twitter because of what it could do um I would put into that"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "category Claude co-work um and then you know products like Perplexi Computer and of course Hyper Agent and then within that bucket there's kind of um there's you know I think different uh options"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "for you know depending on what you want."
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "So what hyper agent gives you and what we focused on is both the fact that you can do this in a much more team enabled setting as you kind of refine their skills and memory. We put a lot of"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "emphasis into this like closing of the loop for self-improvement which I think is key because even though agents are out of the box very smart and they're only getting smarter as the models"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 1",
    "text": "underneath them get better and better."
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 1",
    "text": ">> Most people use Claude like a search engine. They type in a question, they get an answer, most times they're not really satisfied with it and they close the tab. I did the same thing for months"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 1",
    "text": "and I was looking at people who were saying AI is changing their life and I'm like then I spent one afternoon setting it up properly, uploaded a few files about how I think and how I work and it"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 1",
    "text": "completely changed. I wrote the whole process up step by step. You get it when you subscribe to my newsletter, future proof. It's free. The link is in the description. This is what I'm very"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 1",
    "text": "excited to try. When you mentioned the team collaboration, we don't use Slack, we use Telegram, but I saw you have this Telegram integration. And the thing is, and it's so funny, like I feel like the"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 1",
    "text": "industry is moving at the same pace and thinking about the same problems cuz last week I was talking to my COO and I'm like I'm giving so much feedback to my team in Telegram >> which is inaccessible to like any"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 1",
    "text": "really. So I have to download the conversations like how do we close this?"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 1",
    "text": "How does the agent learn my taste? So, what we're going to do, we're going to download the conversation, train the agent, but then we're going to add the bot to all the team chats that I have so"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 1",
    "text": "it learns my feedback and can give feedback to me instead of instead of me to my team."
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": ">> Exactly. Yeah. And I think uh I mean, one, by the way, as an aside, I think Telegram has a really interesting opportunity to become maybe the dominant platform in messaging for agents because"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "they just have the best ergonomics of all these messaging platforms to be able to deploy bots, right? you know, Hyper Agent has a really first class telegram uh integration, right? Um and even if"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "you're not a current Telegram user, I might recommend for people to go and like set up a Telegram account because it's such an easy and free way to create both individual and group chats with"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "your agents. Um and it's very cool actually to see in a group chat setting, you can add even multiple agents that you've created through Hyper Agent and have them jump into the conversation as"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "relevant and even start to talk to each other, which is very cool."
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 1",
    "text": ">> Yeah. like even even like give feedback cuz what I realize in my company I'm the bottleneck >> cuz all the content goes through me and sometimes I'm doing this right and I can't get back to my team. What if I"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "have an agent that already knows my taste and I say like on busy days you just let it give the >> Absolutely. Yeah. I think that is one of the interesting emergent phenomena here which is you know as people have gotten"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "really into their agent building like openclaw uh you know you see all these openclaw fans who have created like a virtual twin of themselves in their openclaw instance right this is my like"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "virtual howi agent that has really learned so much about me and actually does have real time access to the same context that I do so it knows what my schedule is like you know they talked about the"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "singularity and like how we're going to put ourselves into like a a computer end like I mean it's kind of actually happening with agents."
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 1",
    "text": ">> Yeah. What's the most unique use case with hyper agent that you've experienced?"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": ">> I personally like um you know kind of these multimedia related use cases. So what I mean by that is you know sometimes for fun and sometimes for like actual kind of you know functional"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "marketing purposes. I like to have uh hyper agent go and create like marketing ideas. So, uh, at one point, uh, we actually did do a billboard, a small billboard campaign for Hyper Agent,"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "announcing the launch of it. And I had it go end to end sourcing the actual billboard location. So, we worked with a, um, a vendor that had like, uh, basically a list of all the billboards"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 1",
    "text": "that were available 101 or doing it here. What's that?"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": ">> Are you doing it on 101?"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": ">> Uh, it was in New York, LA, and SF. And uh and so we grabbed all the inventory and then it had all the specific locations like what street it was on and then Hyper Agent was able to process all"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "of those locations, cross reference them with Google Street View and Google Maps."
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "So it can literally put them on a map and then even show like the street view point of view of like here's what that billboard looks like um on the street and then best yet because it it's very"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "versatile in terms of being able to chain together different tools. Um, it was able to take those street view images and then pass that in to leading image models like Nano Banana and then"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "use that to generate a really highfidelity mockup of what our billboards would actually look like. Um, you know, so it took real world location shots, mashed that up with like our actual kind of campaign uh imagery which"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "it created based on the concept and then could help us visualize like here's literally what that um that billboard on sunset will look like. I thought that was very cool. And then, you know, I"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "think like u we ended up not, you know, like we weren't around uh long enough to do a Super Bowl ad. We just started hyper agent basically around the uh the holidays. But, you know, had we done a"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "Super Bowl ad or maybe for next year, you know, I uh use hyper agent uh to to go and generate some like actual video concepts, right? So, again, it's able to like come up with concepts combining,"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "you know, real product marketing understanding of like what does this product do? We fed it or gave it access to our documentation for hyper agent. So very um meta, but like Hyper Agent was"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "then able to learn about all of the capabilities and differentiation of Hyper Agent and then to be able to go and come up with really good marketing concepts that it could cut up into"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "different scenes like a screenwriter or like a director of in uh you know a Super Bowl ad script and then actually generate really high quality production grade videos using uh VO in this case"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "from from uh Google um so that it actually looked like a real Super Bowl ad. So I think um you know I like the creative uh creative use cases because they're just so immediate and uh and"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "visceral. Um but of course I also have like many functional use cases, chief of staff uh use case where it's reading my emails and Slack all the time and pushing me anything that needs my"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "attention. So saying, \"Hey, you just got this really important email from somebody, a customer or a partner or an investor. You should probably respond to this and here's even a drafted reply."
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 1",
    "text": ">> Can you show me uh some of your productivity use cases?\" because this is where I see a lot of my time being saved. Yeah. When uh >> I optimize stuff with with agents."
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": ">> Okay. So, this is a uh this is actually a demo account of mine that's realistically recreated uh based on my actual usage. U my actual usage has everything of mine like all of my uh uh"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "you know like calendar, my emails, everything. So, it's a little sensitive."
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "either you can have it go on a recurring schedule or like similar to OpenCloud can have a heartbeat mode where it's always, >> you know, waking up and checking new stuff and then pushing you messages"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "either via Telegram, it could be via Slack, it could be via email, but you can kind of set it up how you want. Um, I like Telegram because then it just feels like it's almost like a personal"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "assistant like messaging you all the time. You can respond to it and especially Telegram if you have the bot living in your group channels already with your team, then you can just"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "mention the bot and say, \"Hey, you know, go research this thing on behalf of the team.\" Go create caption for this post."
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": ">> Exactly. Okay. So, here's one that uh is one of my personal favorites. So, obviously you have to be on top of Twitter or X like 24/7 now to like keep up with all the latest news. It's all"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "happening so fast. It's kind of overwhelming. And sometimes I feel like I just like I forget to check X and I miss some really important stuff. So, I have one agent whose entire job is just"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "to constantly watch X and literally it's like doing this like all the time 24/7 and then it's making a judgment call. It knows enough about me and what I care about and air table and hyper agent that"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "it can push to messages alerting me you know when there's something interesting only when it's actually relevant to me right and it can even like frame this around like why is this relevant to you"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 1",
    "text": "to howie um but >> interesting how social media is transforming because I see a lot of people doing this cuz once you enter X you forget your life >> totally you go down >> agent consuming content for youactly"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "it's an interesting shift for social media in general >> well you know it's like agents consuming the content But then, you know, also probably agents helping to create the content. And so, you know, there's uh"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "it's it's this funny loop of like what happens when it's really just like our agents posting and consuming all the content on our behalf. Right."
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": ">> Exactly."
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": ">> Um so, this is a favorite one of mine."
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "And one thing you can do here is like if you want to set up a live mode agent, you can actually click that dialogue button. um or just ask it in the feed or in the uh in the thread. Turn this into"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "an an always on agent and push me messages via Telegram when you see something interesting for me, right?"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": ">> And then it will set it up. It will walk you through the flow. You can set up like a Telegram bot."
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 1",
    "text": ">> You're doing this now and I'm realizing a few months ago we built this system that gives us notifications about videos that are underperforming."
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": ">> Okay. took us a few days."
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 1",
    "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. And by the way, even a few days is far better than a few months or a few years, right? Like it would have >> but it's still this is such a like how technology progresses these days. You"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 1",
    "text": "have to be always on always testing cuz there's new this new products coming."
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": ">> Yeah. And I think I mean one of the cool things if I take a step back and think about the state of tech right now like I've always believed that you can choose to make tech like a enabling tool,"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "right? In fact, we spent a lot of time studies scoffed at the idea of a personal computer, right? Like they literally laughed at it. They were like, \"Oh, nobody would need a personal computer on"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "their own desk, let alone like they didn't even think about smartphones.\""
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "Um, and you know, the idea that obviously Apple and Microsoft had was like, \"Wow, like these processors are getting cheaper and faster.\" And in fact, like instead of using that to do"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "even more arcane and like specialized work, what if we made this even more accessible? What if we chewed up all of that computing power to make computers something that anyone can use and get"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "value out of? And I think there's a very strong parallel to models and like as the models get smarter yeah you could apply them towards very you know kind of complicated use cases like hire"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "palunteer for like $300 million to do like a very complex like you know government deployment of AI but also the alternate point of view is you can use it to enable people to do even more"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "broad and interesting and ubiquitous things right so I'm personally a fan of like the you know kind of democratization angle that's the entire founding premise of Air Table was democratizing app creation and I think"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "now we have a very similar opportunity to do that for agents and like you know I really think like there's going to be two paths of agents that are more and more powerful but inaccessible and then"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "agents that are actually more and more friendly and accessible and useful to as many people as possible."
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": ">> Yeah, I just saw you speak on stage and you said builders are going to win in the next few years. How do you adopt the builder mindset? Yeah, I mean I think what really being a builder comes down"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "to is one like having the appetite to tinker. Like that's the most important thing, right? Because I think it's a humility to say like nobody knows all the answers. Like if somebody tells you"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "like here's exactly how to build the perfect agent for every single use case and every single company out there. Like they're full of it because there's no way to prescribe that so perfectly. Like"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "it's constantly changing. And what's really cool about the builder community out there already uh on X for instance or like on Reddit etc is you're finding that people are like almost accidentally"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "discovering the best ways to use agents right like you know they're learning hey you know it turns out like one way to make the agents very very good at content production is to give it this"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "kind of a skill with this kind of guidance right or maybe create a skill from you know the Mr. beast leaked handbook on like how to create content like you know it turns out when you feed"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "that into the agent have it develop its own skill informed by that it does really well right um and so you know there's all of these emergent practices that actually make these agents work"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "better and better and the only way to go and kind of like really you know get good at it is to try it out right and the great thing is like you know there's no you know kind of master class there's"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "no PhD that you need for it I mean I'm sure you could take some great classes out there but you don't really have to right and like you know if you have nights and weekend time even to go and"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "just play around with the agents and it's quite fun to use I think that's the best way to actually get into it. So the tinker mindset is most important first and foremost and I think the second is"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "really just a willingness to really distill down like what is the work in order to generate the output you want right I think some people um you know have an easier time imagining you know"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "what is the ultimate purpose of let's say software engineering or sales or marketing or you know content creation and if you are stuck in in in terms of thinking about it as like the activities"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "that you currently do. So software engineering the activity of writing code by hand line by line is now going to be obsolete. Right. So >> same as script writing."
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": ">> Exactly. Yeah. But if you can rethink the the work as being how do I generate great software? How do I output great code and great applications and get to go up in the abstraction to like have a"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "team of agents that actually do that work for me? or you know the same for script writing or content like I think then you're able to really effectively leverage agents because you're thinking"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "about the outcome first and then how do you use these awesome you know capabilities to generate that output versus being stuck in the activities of before you know I think like a lot of it"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "is just like getting that starting point right like you know it feels sometimes very daunting to get started like I personally every time I try a new generation of AI or products you know it"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "it always feels like it you know a little intimidating like how do I get started? Like you know over the holidays I personally got back into uh software development in a really big way. Like I"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "had done some tinkering before but um with the latest family of models like I actually started building like with code again, right? using development agents."
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "And at first it was like, you know, like I just picked some low stakes projects to to do like for fun and got so immersed into it that by the time I personally started working on hyper"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "agent in code like you know it was already very like exciting and you know I had built up some confidence around like what I could do with the agent. So I think you know the um the really"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "empowering thing is like you can start with anything like low stakes personal use cases but that helps you develop the confidence and the fluency to then go and bite off something even bigger."
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "Yeah. You could have a whole agent just dedicated to helping you prepare for that. And you could even have a meta agent that itself is running 24/7 to discover new opportunities for"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "additional agents. Right."
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": ">> Oh that's amazing. So this is Do you have that agent? No. I think it's it's genius. I I don't have one right now other than my chief of staff which is constantly like looking through all my"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "stuff and suggesting like follow-ups and sometimes it will suggest additional agent use cases but I should um you know I want to have like a weekly yeah weekly review look at everything I did and then"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "come up with additional agents that you should hire basically onto your team to automate even more of what happened over the week. So this one I'm just setting up like the final parts of the um the"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "telegram flow but you know in short like it will help me walk through the configuration to actually turn this agent into an always on telegram agent that will then push messages on."
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": ">> So I gave it some some feedback on um on what I wanted to do. I should set up an agent for a kids school email. Now that I'm thinking >> well I mean now that we're talking about"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "personal use cases like I have some fun ones which are um you know I'm in the market for a used car right now. And so it actually uh I have an agent that's monitoring all of the used car listing"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "sites and then finding cars of my spec."
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "I want a convertible uh here, you know, we're here in LA. It's a great place to have a convertible and it will go and do extensive research on the price point I want and like do the cars have the specs"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "that I want and even like you know what um what are the uh you know locations like let me click through and like see where it is and more details um but >> you know just like fun personal use"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "cases that I wouldn't have otherwise hired like a person to go and monitor."
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 1",
    "text": "Now I'm thinking I need to book my flights to can. I could basically build an agent that goes through all my points that I have on different credit cards and find the right >> Oh yeah. A points optimizer like use the"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "points effectively even help you like plan out like with a map like all the different places you want to go."
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": ">> So yeah, it's a very fun time."
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": ">> You know, I I saw this uh term referenced in a um like one of the AI forums I'm in. But, you know, one way to think about agents is like I mean obviously you can use it in your core"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "job, but it also enables you to go make all these luxury hires that you otherwise wouldn't go like maybe you wouldn't hire a full-time travel concierge for your team, right? Like it"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "just that would be like too uh it wouldn't be worth like a full-time hire."
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "But now with an agent, you can literally have an agent whose full-time job even running 24/7 is to find ways to optimize your points, find like new um you know, itineraries that are surfacing from your"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "email. like it knows, oh, maybe you need to go out and do this kind of a um uh you know, this kind of a promotion or this kind of like an interview and it will, you know, automatically go and"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "propose here's the flight itinerary, here's even like the way that you can optimize your points for this trip. So, you know, it kind of allows you to just imagine all these like if you could hire"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "as many people as you wanted for almost zero cost, right? Like what other roles would you hire people into? I think that's a very cool thing too is you know a lot of people are worried rightfully"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "about you know what jobs will look like in the coming years but I think that actually like some of the most interesting use cases of agents are going to be not necessarily replacing"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "existing human jobs outright but actually enabling completely new jobs that weren't being done because you know it just wasn't worth it to have like a full-time hire to do something. So, you"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "know, you're able to like go and do incrementally so much more that puts you ahead, right? Personally and and as a business."
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 1",
    "text": ">> If I'm running all these agents, I'm getting all that information like learning how to live in that environment where yes, they source a lot of stuff for you, but then you're still the end"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 1",
    "text": "decision maker. So, it's a lot of decisions now, which is actually a founder's job, right? You're not you don't have to be building, you have to be making those big decisions, right?"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "That's the thing I think like a common thread is like you know the thing that scales the most and gives you the most leverage in the agent world and you know it was true in the human world as well"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "is good judgment right and how do you apply good judgment as efficiently and to as many different threads as possible and I think the people who are able to do that most effectively will become"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "like almost superhuman right like you know you will have this team of agents that you're able to give good judgment and feedback to just like a really effective CEO of humans right like"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "that's what discern concerns a good CEO of humans versus not is ability to scale good judgment."
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 1",
    "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. And you scale it by making more decisions, I guess, and seeing how they work for you, right?"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": ">> Yeah. Absolutely. And maybe like iterating, experimenting more, having agents try things that you otherwise wouldn't have tried. Like maybe you can do new content experiments, right? or"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "new business model experiments like hey what if we built our own you know kind of brand uh and or micro sites around these different kind of opportunities uh for air table or for hyper agent you"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "know like we can actually go and execute on way more like marketing programs or even like product um you know features than we would before and not all of them will work but like we just get way more"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 1",
    "text": "app bats. Okay, my last question for anyone who wants to start with agents today, first three steps."
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": ">> Um, one is obviously sign up for hyper agent and um, you know, we uh, you know, we try to make hyper agent really really in non-intimidating, right? So, it's got a very great gooey experience. You don't"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "have to go in and like do technical setup. It's kind of like using the Mac, right? As opposed to like setting up Linux. And the second is like just come up with like a few personal use cases or"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "low stakes work use cases. I think um problem hunting like figuring out like what are the problems you want to solve is like 80% of the battle right because it turns out the actual building of the"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "solution is no longer so hard. Like compare this to the prior era where like let's say you wanted to build custom software even before no code and you wanted to solve a problem with like a"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "custom app. Okay well you could pick the right problem. you need to track, let's say, all your brand deals, but then actually writing the code to build the app is like all of the easier to hire"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "someone."
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": ">> And so now I think really it's kind of inverted where the the most interesting part and actually the part that you should spend the most time on up front is just coming up with a list of like"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "what are all the problems that I want to solve? And then third is like have fun with it. I think that's the most important part too or that's a really important part too is you know this has"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "to become like a passion. I think like the best agent users and builders I see really kind of enjoy it, right? Just like, you know, if you were an early internet user, you had to kind of enjoy"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "it, right? Like there's a functional purpose to it, but also like, you know, it's just fun to go online and like, you know, see what else was out there, shopping sites and like news sites and"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "games and and so on. And so there is this like interactive and like just kind of very dynamic nature to agents that I think to become truly fluent, you have to have passion, you know, technology,"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "fit, right? So like try to enjoy it and that's why I think like also picking the lower stakes you know kind of fun use cases where you get to really experiment rather than putting all this pressure on"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "yourself up up front to like deliver some kind of ROI like it's just like any other new and disruptive tech computers the internet the iPhone like to really understand how to apply it in a very"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "efficient and effective business way you have to first really kind of I think immerse as a consumer of it. Yeah. And two skills everyone should be working on from what you're saying. Uh the skill to"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 1",
    "text": "figure out the problem to solve >> and the skill to make the right call or judgment."
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": ">> Yeah. Absolutely."
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": ">> Yeah. I think those will be the two most important things and effectively mastering them I think makes you into superhum in this."
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 1",
    "text": ">> Exactly. Exactly. And we're living in an age where everyone has a potential to become a superhum in less than I think couple weeks."
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. I mean seriously, >> it's a very very >> I think we'll we'll see a lot more entrepreneurship too. I think like you know the the era of like one person building a great company you know"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "whether it's like the literal billion dollar revenue company that was forecasted uh with with AI or you know it could just be it doesn't have to be a billion in revenue to still be"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "successful but I think a lot more people are going to be able to get off the ground with their own ideas and build a business whether it's an online retail business that you know before they"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "couldn't have afforded to hire the team to market it to source the inventory to build a site now you can do that all with agents right or it could be a content you know kind of business or it"
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "could be like a software business. Like all of these businesses I think are now much more possible for anyone out there who just has the idea and sees an opportunity."
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 1",
    "text": ">> Yeah, it's amazing time to be alive."
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 1",
    "text": "Thank you so much, Howie. And thank you so much for the product. Of course."
  },
  {
    "speaker": "Speaker 2",
    "text": "Yeah."
  }
]