[ { "i": 0, "speaker": "Speaker 1", "text": "Jeff Yan and Christie Choi who'll be leading the session." }, { "i": 1, "speaker": "Speaker 1", "text": ">> [applause] >> Amazing. Well, good afternoon everyone." }, { "i": 2, "speaker": "Speaker 1", "text": "Great to be here today." }, { "i": 3, "speaker": "Speaker 1", "text": "I'm Christie Choi, founder of Sky GG. We invest, research, build communities and run one of the foundation delegated validators of the Hyperliquid ecosystem called Hyperliquid Korea. Great to be" }, { "i": 4, "speaker": "Speaker 1", "text": "here today and we are joined by our very own Jeff, the founder of Hyperliquid Labs." }, { "i": 5, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "Hey Jeff, what's up?" }, { "i": 6, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "Hey Christie, thanks to thanks to everyone for coming and thanks for doing this interview." }, { "i": 7, "speaker": "Speaker 1", "text": "Amazing. Well, Jeff, I've had the privilege of knowing you since 2018 when you were building a decentralized prediction markets." }, { "i": 8, "speaker": "Speaker 1", "text": "Um as always ahead of the trend. And now I guess I got the liberty of being you know, one of your first investors." }, { "i": 9, "speaker": "Speaker 1", "text": "Fast forward, you know, now you're building Hyperliquid, one of the most by far the most exciting and the fastest growing ecosystem in the entire crypto." }, { "i": 10, "speaker": "Speaker 1", "text": "Yeah, I mean I think a lot of people say Hyperliquid is just feels different, you know, how even the product is different, the way how community engages, all different." }, { "i": 11, "speaker": "Speaker 1", "text": "If you would have to say like what's like the core philosophy that makes you know, Hyperliquid so different, what would what what would what would that be?" }, { "i": 12, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "Yeah, it's it's it's not one thing, but I'd say going down the list, the the most important thing in my mind is is that Hyperliquid sort of represents what DeFi and crypto sought out to be." }, { "i": 13, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "I think the space has has so much potential and I think Satoshi obviously was was a genius and really laid the foundation for how everyone thinks about how finance ought to work." }, { "i": 14, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "But along the way I think the space has attracted a lot of more extractive people and parties and it's easy to get lost. And I think Hyperliquid was I think in recent times one of the you know, I would say like most" }, { "i": 15, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "genuine efforts at really cultivating this OG DeFi energy and this I think this integrity goes a long way. It's not something it's it's not a metric that can be faked. It's it's something in our DNA and I think it" }, { "i": 16, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "you know, as I spoke to a a bunch of builders yesterday at the the I think first Korean hackathon." }, { "i": 17, "speaker": "Speaker 1", "text": "And I was blown away." }, { "i": 18, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": ">> offline hackathon. First ever first ever offline hackathon. So I hear there are many more to come and and this is it's it's just so heartwarming to me as you know, we're we're heads down" }, { "i": 19, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "building the the core protocol thinking from first principles how finance should be built to be programmable and that's just in day our day in day out and then just knowing that it" }, { "i": 20, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "touches all these builders who you know, show up take valuable time out of their day and congregate in at at this event and just just feeling the energy there and yeah, it's it's something else. And so" }, { "i": 21, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "to me it really that that really is is the number one answer." }, { "i": 22, "speaker": "Speaker 1", "text": ">> Right, right." }, { "i": 23, "speaker": "Speaker 1", "text": "Yeah, I mean I think uh even the way how you know, governance works has been something that I guess a lot of people were looking forward to for the past you know, years of building" }, { "i": 24, "speaker": "Speaker 1", "text": "crypto and then the way how you took I guess the USDH vote as well, which I guess like for the context of the audience, a stablecoin provider who would get this ticker USDH and be able to operate under" }, { "i": 25, "speaker": "Speaker 1", "text": "that had to go through a vote among the validators and you know, the the stakers could move around their stake type to I guess show their vote via the validators. So And yeah, yeah, it" }, { "i": 26, "speaker": "Speaker 1", "text": "basically lit up the entire crypto Twitter timeline for I guess a more than week or so and a lot of I guess great protocols, you know, including native markets, Paxos Labs, Athena, Agora many others" }, { "i": 27, "speaker": "Speaker 1", "text": "have you know, come up with a very compelling you know, proposal and all that." }, { "i": 28, "speaker": "Speaker 1", "text": "Yeah, did you when you were I guess like I guess like pushing through all this process and all that, what was like your intention and like how did you like envision this? It was it like" }, { "i": 29, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "did you expect this to be you know, unfold like this or I people people maybe think it was some some 4D chess or whatever, but I really I I it blew me away and I think this is another example of just like it's" }, { "i": 30, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "I think people people naturally gravitate towards systems that are that are fair and sort of encourage transparent and encourage real builders to come and show their worth and I think people in crypto are kind of" }, { "i": 31, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "tired of these insidery you know, like crypto in name, but really just web two companies under the hood kind of setups." }, { "i": 32, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "And so for me it was it it really felt like a technical decision. The protocol ever since HIP-1 launched, which was more than a year ago at this point. The there have been a few tickers that" }, { "i": 33, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "were reserved by the protocol because it felt like this thing was too new and you know, didn't it didn't it didn't feel right to say well, first come first serve on these very important" }, { "i": 34, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "or potentially very important tickers because people people assign a lot of value to names. And there may be no there may be no advantage at the protocol level, but it's a there's a sentimental" }, { "i": 35, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "value to it. And so it was a bit of a it just felt like the right way to do things. I think when there's something subjective that the protocol itself doesn't have a deterministic way to execute, then it" }, { "i": 36, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "governance is the is the crypto way to handle things. And so it felt to me it felt like kind of the natural way to handle something and I I I suspected there might be a little bit of" }, { "i": 37, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "drama around it, but I was blown away by the the quality of all the teams that stepped forward. It was really humbling to me because I I kind of I I still think I'm a bit stuck in the past. I still" }, { "i": 38, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "think of us as a you know, we're we're a small tight-knit community like sort of you know, a group of misfits like not not not working at these like big big established protocols and companies who are choosing" }, { "i": 39, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "to kind of leave that behind and build from first principles and do something we believe in. And I'm still in that mindset. So just I was blown away by all these like" }, { "i": 40, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "you know, real real big name serious buttoned-up companies sort of coming and and saying like hey, like we love we love to integrate and here's what we bring to the table. Like that was it was humbling" }, { "i": 41, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "to me and yeah. I I think the community is is is lucky in some sense that we we or sorry, I guess both sides are lucky, right? Like the community is lucky that we can have so much so much so many" }, { "i": 42, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "people take us seriously now and then the the I guess these other companies see the value in in such a organic kind of uh yeah, grassroots network really taking off. They they see the power and" }, { "i": 43, "speaker": "Speaker 1", "text": "and potential there." }, { "i": 44, "speaker": "Speaker 1", "text": "Right, right." }, { "i": 45, "speaker": "Speaker 1", "text": "we we as a community were like very humble again, you know, by I guess the quality of the proposals and hopefully we'll see I guess you know, I we saw your new proposal around" }, { "i": 46, "speaker": "Speaker 1", "text": "I guess the Hyperliquid you know, aligned stablecoins and you know, that that framework. So I guess like are there other things that you're looking forward to from that proposal and moving forward regarding" }, { "i": 47, "speaker": "Speaker 1", "text": "I think there there are a lot of proposals floating around actually. Um it's a bit scary these days because the I think very quickly the sort of exponential growth has has put a spotlight on the protocol and" }, { "i": 48, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "um yeah, there's a bit of tension. We I I think it's in our DNA to innovate as as a community. We're always you know, Hyperliquid is is in its albeit short history, I think we've we've taken pride in always being the" }, { "i": 49, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "first to do things and we're Right." }, { "i": 50, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "we're not we're not super interested in like safe bets which are following quick quick follows onto things that are successful. We think the the best things have yet to be imagined and have yet to" }, { "i": 51, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "be built and we're we're happy to take that step and uh but on the other hand it's you know, when when there are a lot of eyes on the protocol, it's there are a lot of people who want to see it fail for for whatever" }, { "i": 52, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "reason. And it can be a bit scary. And so I think with all these proposals, it's it's nice to see. It's it's nice to get you know, input from a wide variety of sources, people who think about different things day in day" }, { "i": 53, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "out and say hey, like maybe maybe Hyperliquid actually you know, on on the way to housing all of finance, this this should be a pit stop. And you know, you see that with like you said like aligned" }, { "i": 54, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "stables, you see that with prediction market style infrastructure. Um and I think we'll continue to see more." }, { "i": 55, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "So it's it's cool. It's it's cool, but it's also really tricky to navigate. I think it's like tech and sort of the these crazy dreams of people often you need to compromise and but that's where the fun is in in" }, { "i": 56, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "building. Yeah. Right. Just amazed by I guess like all the stuff that you guys are taking. Um yeah, and I just feel like you know, you guys are always you know, on top of things, you know, move forward really" }, { "i": 57, "speaker": "Speaker 1", "text": "quickly, but then you know, try to incorporate as much you know, community and ecosystem voice as much as possible." }, { "i": 58, "speaker": "Speaker 1", "text": "So, it's like exactly what we've dreamed of. Uh I guess a lot of questions that, you know, rise, you know, during, I guess, like USDH vote and all that was like how how do you like divide between" }, { "i": 59, "speaker": "Speaker 1", "text": "So, it's like exactly what we've dreamed of. Uh I guess a lot of questions that, you know, rise, you know, during, I guess, like USDH vote and all that was like how how do you like divide between" }, { "i": 60, "speaker": "Speaker 1", "text": "like what Hyperliquid Labs, which is a small team as, you know, probably people know, um build um internally versus, I guess, like some of the Hyperliquid aligned teams like get to build. Like," }, { "i": 61, "speaker": "Speaker 1", "text": "how do you how do you envision that to divide?" }, { "i": 62, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "Now, like you said, Hyperliquid Labs is very small. We're notoriously small and then uh I think that's, you know, part of it is that we we we work super hard and we genuinely believe in" }, { "i": 63, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "sort of individuals having outsized impact and cutting sort of bureaucracy and corporate like we it's it's it's in our DNA. Like, it it isn't what we're building. Like, crypto is inherently" }, { "i": 64, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "a sort of yeah, it's it's something where individualism can shine and uh so, we're kind of anti-corporate bureaucracy and all that stuff. And yeah." }, { "i": 65, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "Um But I but I think I think a big reason we we can afford to be so small is that the core the core team actually is is really just a a technical team. Like, we have we for example, we have no marketing" }, { "i": 66, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "department. So, we don't do sales." }, { "i": 67, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "Um and the the community is kind of carries that and does it much does it so much better than we ever we ever could." }, { "i": 68, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "And it this is kind of in the spirit of of crypto and what it stands for. So, I think it's a really good it's a really good synergy there. And so, to answer your question, I guess, uh having that" }, { "i": 69, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "Labs doesn't need to do, I don't think it should. I think if if something can be built by the community or by someone in the community, it should. And I think when market forces determine the outcome based on user" }, { "i": 70, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "preference and not something forced upon users, I think everyone wins. Like, I think the the product that comes out of competition is almost always better than a product coming from" }, { "i": 71, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "above somewhere. Uh and I maybe like one one good example of that is is like spot trading. I think people were were very confused like why you know, how how can a how can a decentralized how how can something" }, { "i": 72, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "claiming to be decentralized finance not not enshrine any sort of spot bridging or um yeah, like sort of custody. Like, that that that kind of the what they're used to from centralized exchanges." }, { "i": 73, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "Um that that seemed crazy at the time, but uh and and I do think like sort of, you know, hindsight is is 20/20, but looking like putting myself back in those in those times, it it was a it was a risk" }, { "i": 74, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "that that the protocol took. Like, maybe maybe that maybe no one would step up and maybe uh maybe it would kind of set back the progress on housing all the finance. But it But I think that kind of risk is" }, { "i": 75, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "something where we as a product like sort of protocol feel kind of happy to take because you know, the the the upside is that the users really get to rally behind another protocol built on top of the" }, { "i": 76, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "infrastructure. And then that is such a more resilient setup where um the the core protocol can remain objective and focus on providing infrastructure to builders that want to build these really important pillars of" }, { "i": 77, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "finance. It's not like it's not like just scraps, right? It's not like, oh, you know, the protocol has everything important and then yeah yeah, well, like, you know, builders can do" }, { "i": 78, "speaker": "Speaker 1", "text": "whatever's left. No, it's like the the core primitives of finance are open for people to build on on Hyperliquid that attracts the best builders. Right. I think, you know, basically what you've commented on are" }, { "i": 79, "speaker": "Speaker 1", "text": "um magnified and manifested by um having builder codes, Hermes, and a lot of builders, I guess, like natively coming to uh organically coming to uh Hyperliquid ecosystem and, you know, continue to" }, { "i": 80, "speaker": "Speaker 1", "text": "build out. And I guess like speaking of builder code, you know, um and I guess I i i heard you, you know, mentioning House of All Finance a couple times here. But, you know, we're we're seeing" }, { "i": 81, "speaker": "Speaker 1", "text": "a lot of these crypto-native, you know, products, protocols, you know, leveraging the builder code uh and Hyperliquid 50/50 revenue share um and uh yeah, having no need to build their own, I guess, infra, back end," }, { "i": 82, "speaker": "Speaker 1", "text": "and, you know, but still can tap onto your uh don't have to build their their own perp, but, you know, having to, you know, have access to your liquidity and your user base and all that." }, { "i": 83, "speaker": "Speaker 1", "text": "Um like, you know, Phantom, Axiom, and many other uh players out there. Um one of the community question um that came up as we were preparing for the panel was like how do you envision" }, { "i": 84, "speaker": "Speaker 1", "text": "um like potentially like, you know, non-crypto-native like Web2 products potentially using like builder code to build on um utilizing uh builder code to build um on top of Hyperliquid. And what are" }, { "i": 85, "speaker": "Speaker 1", "text": "some of the elements that you think would be potentially needed in order for that implementation?" }, { "i": 86, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "Yeah, it's a good question. I It's hard for me to know exactly how this plays out, but I I think ultimately I think DeFi is the correct way to do finance. Like like through the course of human history," }, { "i": 87, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "there's there are like a few themes and I think one one very consistent one is that the systems that are less fragile tend to prevail and systems that um value individualism tend to prevail. And" }, { "i": 88, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "empowering people rather than rather than you know, controlling them is is just the right way to do things. I I I think both sort of morally and sort of sort of practically as a output optimization." }, { "i": 89, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "And uh And so, I think I think finance is going to take that step as well. I think it has in the history of of finance, but it's it's just historically been a slower a slower industry to innovate because of the" }, { "i": 90, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "so, like, because of its importance to everyone's day-to-day lives. And so, uh long answer to the question, but but I I think Web2 companies and sort of TradFi will I think they're already beginning to see" }, { "i": 91, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "and and will continue to realize that the crypto is not something to be afraid of. Like, DeFi rails are not something to be afraid of, rather something to embrace and to uh you don't you don't need to like It's" }, { "i": 92, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "not it's not something coming to sort of compete, but rather it's just it's just a new it's just like an upgrade to a system that you know, can be upgraded and it's better for everyone, better for the" }, { "i": 93, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "business, better for the users, etc. And I so so, I think builder codes are are our like sort of loosely we we don't have strong thoughts on how this stuff plays out, but builder codes" }, { "i": 94, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "I think provide the primitive that that is needed, which is that well, you know, an upgraded financial system probably doesn't sleep, right? It's global. It's it's 24/7. It's um and it's more accessible than the" }, { "i": 95, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "current financial system. It has fewer barriers and um I think the Hyperliquid community is working day in day out to make Hyperliquid this set of rails. Like, liquidity really is infrastructure at" }, { "i": 96, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "the end of the day for people to plug into. And you know, if if you're a Web2 with with distribution and you know, this is just this is just something to plug into. And I think that" }, { "i": 97, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "I think people start that starts to click for people, you know, one one at a time. And I think when people see other people doing it, they will they're they're more happy to kind of" }, { "i": 98, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "you know, take a look like hey, like really understand what's going on. And once I think I think once you will understand the principle behind builder codes, they they realize it's it's a" }, { "i": 99, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "no-brainer. Like, you know, you you it's something that can only happen on a decentralized system, which is that yeah, you still you still you still ultimately talk to your users." }, { "i": 100, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "You show them the interface. Sort of you that funnel is still is still yours as a business, but just tap into liquidity that is, you know, why reinvent the wheel? Like, why not tap into this this" }, { "i": 101, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "global network of liquidity that is of high quality. And I think users ultimately appreciate that." }, { "i": 102, "speaker": "Speaker 1", "text": "Yeah. I mean, uh I think a lot of, you know, the founders in the past have also mentioned about, you know, all these dreamy, idealistic, you know, transparent, you know, really revolutionizing the entire finance. But" }, { "i": 103, "speaker": "Speaker 1", "text": "I think what's been impressive with, I guess, Hyperliquid ecosystem and I guess like with the Labs team was that, you know, you guys really mean it when you say things and, you know, have been living" }, { "i": 104, "speaker": "Speaker 1", "text": "up to sort of the moral ethical standards and the way how you guys operate. As you mentioned, like, no sales team, no marketing, you know, don't go out there, you know, engage with these, you know, conversations, but" }, { "i": 105, "speaker": "Speaker 1", "text": "then, you know, just really build out there, you know, set the tone, you know, set the stage for builders come and build and really be becoming like an open, I guess, uh you know, ecosystem" }, { "i": 106, "speaker": "Speaker 1", "text": "has been, I guess, like been amazing for the builders. Um I guess like talk, you know, switching the topic to like, I guess, HyperEVM, you know, we've been seeing a lot of, I guess, like rises of like builders, like" }, { "i": 107, "speaker": "Speaker 1", "text": "top builders actually, you know, flowing into um the ecosystem." }, { "i": 108, "speaker": "Speaker 1", "text": "Um what are you particularly, you know, excited to see? And what do you think is like the core reason why all these builders are uh coming to build on HyperEVM?" }, { "i": 109, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "Yeah, I think I think there are a few answers to that. One one of which we kind of touched upon is just it's it's pretty hard to find an organic flow as a builder in DeFi. And I think when you find that, it's sort of" }, { "i": 110, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "like something to it kind of trumps all else as a builder." }, { "i": 111, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "Like, at the end of the day, it's you're building for users. And if if you build something that no one uses, it doesn't matter how good your product is. And so, I think finance is this interesting" }, { "i": 112, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "thing where there's there's like a cold start problem around liquidity. And liquidity begets liquidity. And so, that that's one part of the answer, but maybe the more interesting part is" }, { "i": 113, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "Hyperliquid also I think we I think we as a protocol team, because we're so narrowly focused on infrastructure, we we really think about it from the ground up. And like, for example, one one controversial" }, { "i": 114, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "thing at the time, maybe it's still controversial, is that we view infrastructure not as like general purpose not as like a pure general purpose smart contract platform, but rather" }, { "i": 115, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "um a set of primitives that ultimately need to be executed natively on the chain. And so, smart contracts, of course, are one of these because you need you need some you need something to make the system turn" }, { "i": 116, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "complete and programmable, but there are other such primitives such as on-chain order books, for example. And uh as technically possible as it is to build some things on smart contract platforms," }, { "i": 117, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "it just um if you're really building something that has all the finance, you don't like you need you need to be a bit more um like practical about uh how infrastructure works. And so," }, { "i": 118, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "I think Hyperliquid is is unique in that it thinks it thinks from first principles about what infrastructure ought to look like to house all of finance and how that interacts. So, that So, from HyperEVM," }, { "i": 119, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "you can interact directly with um the other core primitives um on the L1. And so, I think builders appreciate that and they appreciate that this is like at the forefront of how finance may" }, { "i": 120, "speaker": "Speaker 1", "text": "look in the future." }, { "i": 121, "speaker": "Speaker 1", "text": "Amazing. Um we are running out of time, um but I want to give you one last question." }, { "i": 122, "speaker": "Speaker 1", "text": "Um I guess like you've been mentioning about your vision of like becoming the house of all finance. Um I think with Hyperliquid I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm obviously biased, but is destined to" }, { "i": 123, "speaker": "Speaker 1", "text": "win. And if we do, the next 5 years will probably, you know, revolutionize and re-reshape finance ultimately." }, { "i": 124, "speaker": "Speaker 1", "text": "Um what do you think is like one principle that or value that you wish the community or ecosystem will never lose along the way?" }, { "i": 125, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "I think this goes back to the first question probably. I think it it really is this Well, it's kind of just like being good people. So, I don't know. It's it's a combination of an integrity and" }, { "i": 126, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "humility. Maybe that's not Maybe that's not one thing, but You know, it's very much important in this industry." }, { "i": 127, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": ">> Yeah, yeah. It's It's I think it's Yeah, crypto is just such a it's such a double-edged sword. Like with with so much power, you know, it it with power and sort of just like any sort of new" }, { "i": 128, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "innovative technology that is a bit slow to catch on outside of the the the crypto native people. I think there's just Yeah, there there's kind of a fork in the road and it's it's sad to see that" }, { "i": 129, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "sometimes um people will exploit that rather than embrace it. I think if I think if builders were I think it's I think it's easy to get sort of maybe human nature to get a bit sidetracked when when there's" }, { "i": 130, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "you know, when there's success maybe that kind of greed kind of comes up. And um I I think I I would hope that as as Hyperliquid grows that that that that cultural you know, in in the same way that the" }, { "i": 131, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "the protocol is viral and you know, spreads organically, I would hope that the the culture and DNA around you know, giving giving crypto a good name and sort of really really being a shining example of what" }, { "i": 132, "speaker": "Speaker 2", "text": "DeFi can be and that this is an upgrade." }, { "i": 133, "speaker": "Speaker 1", "text": "It's not It's not just like a uh some convoluted scam or something. I think I think it's it's like it sounds simple, but I actually think it's it's pretty hard to find cool. So, be good people, be nice to each other," }, { "i": 134, "speaker": "Speaker 1", "text": "be transparent, open, and all that." }, { "i": 135, "speaker": "Speaker 1", "text": "Amazing." }, { "i": 136, "speaker": "Speaker 1", "text": "Uh well, thank you, Jeff. Um it's been a pleasure um to be on stage with you again. I hope uh we'll get, you know, it was a short time, but hope to get more time to speak more." }, { "i": 137, "speaker": "Speaker 1", "text": "Amazing. Thank you all." } ]